EliteFitness.com Bodybuilding ForumsPage 1 of 2 1 2 Last Jump to page: Results 1 to 15 of Yeah man, plenty of guys have run that exact cycle. Thats a big gain cycle, lbs if you eat. Id say go for tren test dbol results. Is this your cycle at least?
Dbol, Test E & Tren E cycle Comments?
Haven't received registration validation E-mail? User Control Panel Log out. Forums Posts Latest Posts. View More Photo Galleries. Forum Themes Elegant Mobile. Medichecks - The stress free, speedy way to get a comprehensive, accurate insight into your health. Our tests include Sports Hormone checks, testosterone, iron status, cholesterol and more. Essentials Only Full Version. Depends on how well you handle dbol and tren with high doses of test. For me that cycle would be hell, and I wouldn't really make any more gains than just running mg of test E with a TRT dose of test.
Uriel Depends on how well you handle dbol and tren with high doses of test. Dbol I've ran with no issues, although I'm considering Tbol as well to reduce bloat, but I'll be taking am Ai to combat that. I've ran tren ace at 75mg EOD without issues. Not ran Tren E before Out of interest, why would it be hell for you? Dissident always keep the tren higher than the test or u wont see the best benefits of it and the sides will be worse. See, I've read conflicting arguments in this one, that's why it's tying me up in knots!
Personally I would drop the dbol an use anavar, tbol, epistane or winstrol for the last 6 weeks. Would also drop test to mg per week and up trenbolone to mg. Train, eat and diet hard and that will give you great results. Why would you drop the dbol? The idea behind it was as a kick starter while the longer esters worked their magic. I do like winstrol and would more than likely add it into the end of the cycle anyway.
Interested to hear why you'd drop the dbol though? As i can then see the benefit of keeping tren higher , being the stronger drug, than test, but is mg enough? Taking an AI with dbol will severely reduce its anabolic effect IMHO, the estrogenic effect is a huge part of dbol gains. High doses of test make tren sides much worse without adding much in terms of gains in my experience. Dbol also gives me more sides than gains so there's no way in hell I'm taking that cocktail.
So would you agree with keeping tren dosage over the test dosage? All anabolic steroids "compete" for the same receptors, there's only one type of androgenic receptor in your body, so if that hyothesis held any water there'd be no point in stacking any anabolic steroids at all. Test converts to estradiol and DHT. Both of which cause more side effects than gains. Under normal circumstances their effect is not so bad that you can't run a hefty dose of test, but tren is very strongly androgenic itself and had some affinity for the progesterone receptor which tends to aggravate estrogenic side effects.
Most people I've ever talked to that have tried high tren with low test much prefer it over the other way around. Most people who say they can't handle tren because of sides have only ever tried the high test low tren route. If you want a kickstart I'd use tbol. Or anadrol if you don't mind the bloat. Uriel gym weasel I know that the science says that both the test and tren compete for the same receptors No that's what the bro science says.
Ok, that does make a lot of sense, thank you. Maybe I'll start with the I'm always for using the least amount of drugs needed anyway! I do like Tbol, and its was going to be a toss-up between the dbol and tbol truth be told. Maybe I'll err on the side of caution and go with the tbol.
Thanks for your help, you've saved me some pennies! If you get along well with this ratio and feel like using more in the future, I would try increasing the tren while keeping test the same. Personally I would even try less test than that, I've used as little as and felt fantastic. Been using anabolics for a while now and experimenting a lot, and I'm more and more inclined to stop relying on test as an anabolic, just using it at TRT dose while blasting other steroids on top for gains.
Uriel gym weasel Maybe I'll start with the If you get along well with this ration and feel like using more in the future, I would try increasing the tren while keeping test the same. Awesome, thanks mate appreciate it. Uriel explained the low test, higher tren route better than I could.
I know from experience it's a better cycle than when there is higher test in the mix. I've done the cycle I outlined for you above and it was very successful. The reason I eliminated dbol is because it can be hard to control E2 and issues when combined with tren. I agree with Uriel and think oxies would be good for kickstart, and you can manage the bloat with diet and AI, much better than with dbol in my experience. If using oxies though to be honest I would be tempted to bulk cleanly for the first 6 weeks then extend cycle to 14 weeks perhaps and cut for the remainder.
Is this your test approach using other meds too? Ie deca etc, or just tren? I ran test half of my tren dose may into June and had erectile problems. I've never had this om any combo of AAS and had to increase the gest, add and ai and also prov to get back to normal which tool two weeks Shame as the general concensus is that lower test is better, but for bedroom reasons I can't.
I've never used deca myself, but for most it's a far more tolerable steroid than tren. The only time I had any ED on tren was when I briefly tried tren only. But as soon as I pinned half a ml of test E I was having sex 3x a day. On a TRT dose of test and any amount of tren really I just can't get enough.
Using more test with my tren has minimal if any further benefit to my sex life. If anything it's counter productive because 30 seconds into it the sweat is pouring down like I've been on the treadmill for an hour. Trensomnia hits me bad too, while when I keep test low I can sleep just fine. I just want to come back to this and thank everyone for their help For those new to the thread my cycle has been: Week mg test mg tren e 40mg tbol ed Week mg test mg tren e Week mg test mg tren e 50mg Winstrol ed Week mg test 50mg Winstrol ed Week 20 - start PCT PCT - 40 40 20 20 10 10 I have also been running letro 1.
Yes I have decided to extend the cycle out a tad but I'm enjoying it so much and have not encountered any of the nasty sides I've had previously with high tren, low test, I feel comfortable in doing so.
Create an account or sign in to comment. Anyway, how does this sound Week 1 - 4 30mg dbol ED 1. Weeks PCT Nolva 40 40 20 20 10 Would it be worth adding masteron in there or would that be overkill? I'm also considering running winstrol on the tail end of the cycle as I do like how it really dries you up.
I'll be running a low dose of letro on cycle 2. I'll be carb cycling on cycle, so med-high carbs on training days, and lowered with healthy fats increased on rest days Protein will stay high.
Anyway, let me know your thoughts Uriel Pro-Member Total Posts: Dissident Olympian Member Total Posts: A geographic representation of residency Status: Nothing contributes so much to tranquilizing the mind as a steady purpose - a point on which the soul may fix its intellectual eye.