3 days ago Antivaxxers and the Plague of Science Denial. Fraud, misinformation, and conspiracy theories can be a deadly combination. Posted Feb 4. Wakefield AJ, Pittilo RM, Cosby SL, et al. Evidence of persistent measles infection in Crohn's disease. Journal of Medical Virology ; . Sep 9, Yet it has nothing on the anti-vaxxers in France, a country where over 40 The Next Plague and How Science Will Stop It · Priorities Magazine Winter The European region contains 7 of the top 10 vaccine denial populations. Scientific American - “ the left's sacred values seem fixated on the.
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If you fail to do so, your post will be removed. If you want to discuss your anti-science or pseudo science ideologies, then you are welcome to do so in the comments. References aren't needed for well established scientific theories. Such as germ theory or information that has the general medical consensus. References for lesser known scientific theories and facts are desirable, as these can be used in your argument for vaccination and can combat those who are mis-informed.
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Herd immunity is real, there's no need to argue with anyone here about it. You should familiarize yourself with "vaccine efficacy" before posting.
Don't ask for medical advice in this sub. Even then, this sub does not exist to provide you with medical treatments. Anything medical related that you get from this sub, should be confirmed by your doctor. Suggestions can be posted here. If you work in a field related to vaccine research, epidemiology or specialize in any vaccine related field and are interested in moderating, send a message to the moderators. They should add anti-vaxxers to plague inc!
Isn't that already a thing? A special court convened in the United States to review claims under the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program ruled on February 12, that parents of autistic children are not entitled to compensation in their contention that certain vaccines caused autism in their children.
The concept of vaccine overload is flawed on several levels. Of the 1, children in the study, one quarter of those diagnosed with autism were born between and , when the routine vaccine schedule could contain more than 3, antigens in a single shot of DTP vaccine. The vaccine schedule in contains several more vaccines, but the number of antigens the child is exposed to by the age of two is Any experiment based on withholding vaccines from children has been considered unethical,  and observational studies would likely be confounded by differences in the health care-seeking behaviours of under-vaccinated children.
Thus, no study directly comparing rates of autism in vaccinated and unvaccinated children has been done. However, the concept of vaccine overload is biologically implausible, vaccinated and unvaccinated children have the same immune response to non-vaccine-related infections, and autism is not an immune-mediated disease, so claims that vaccines could cause it by overloading the immune system go against current knowledge of the pathogenesis of autism.
As such, the idea that vaccines cause autism has been effectively dismissed by the weight of current evidence. There is evidence that schizophrenia is associated with prenatal exposure to rubella , influenza , and toxoplasmosis infection. For example, one study found a sevenfold increased risk of schizophrenia when mothers were exposed to influenza in the first trimester of gestation.
This may have public health implications, as strategies for preventing infection include vaccination, simple hygiene, and, in the case of toxoplasmosis, antibiotics. Aluminium compounds are used as immunologic adjuvants to increase the effectiveness of many vaccines. However, recent case-controlled studies have found no specific clinical symptoms in individuals with biopsies showing MMF, and there is no evidence that aluminium-containing vaccines are a serious health risk or justify changes to immunization practice.
During the flu pandemic , significant controversy broke out regarding whether the H1N1 flu vaccine was safe in, among other countries, France. Numerous different French groups publicly criticized the vaccine as potentially dangerous. Other safety concerns about vaccines have been promoted on the Internet, in informal meetings, in books, and at symposia.
These include hypotheses that vaccination can cause sudden infant death syndrome , epileptic seizures , allergies , multiple sclerosis , and autoimmune diseases such as type 1 diabetes , as well as hypotheses that vaccinations can transmit bovine spongiform encephalopathy , hepatitis C virus , and HIV. These hypotheses have been investigated, with the conclusion that currently used vaccines meet high safety standards and that criticism of vaccine safety in the popular press is not justified.
Furthermore, some vaccines are probably more likely to prevent or modify than cause or exacerbate autoimmune diseases. Compulsory vaccination policies have been controversial as long as they have existed, with opponents of mandatory vaccinations arguing that governments should not infringe on an individual's freedom to make medical decisions for themselves or their children, while proponents of compulsory vaccination cite the well documented public health benefits of vaccination.
Vaccination policy involves complicated ethical issues, as unvaccinated individuals are more likely to contract and spread disease to people with weaker immune systems, such as young children and the elderly, and to other individuals in whom the vaccine has not been effective.
However, mandatory vaccination policies raise ethical issues regarding parental rights and informed consent. Medical ethicist Arthur Caplan argues that children have a right to the best available medical care, including vaccines, regardless of parental feelings toward vaccines, saying "Arguments about medical freedom and choice are at odds with the human and constitutional rights of children.
A review of court cases from to found that, of the 9 courts that have heard cases regarding whether not vaccinating a child constitutes neglect, 7 have held vaccine refusal to be a form of child neglect. To prevent the spread of disease by unvaccinated individuals, some schools and doctors' surgeries have prohibited unvaccinated children from being enrolled, even where not required by law. Vaccination has been opposed on religious grounds ever since it was introduced.
Some Christian opponents argued, when vaccination was first becoming widespread, that if God had decreed that someone should die of smallpox, it would be a sin to thwart God's will via vaccination. The Haredi burqa sect in Israel opposed vaccinations and medical treatments on moral grounds, which led to the death of at least one baby from untreated influenza.
Among early Hasidic leaders, Rabbi Nachman of Breslov — was known for his criticism of the doctors and medical treatments of his day. However, when the first vaccines were successfully introduced, he stated: Failure to do so is tantamount to murder.
Even if they live far from the city and have to travel during the great winter cold, they should have the child vaccinated before three months. In the United States, there are currently only three states Mississippi, West Virginia, and California that do not provide exemptions based on religious beliefs. The cell cultures of some viral vaccines, and the virus of the rubella vaccine,  are derived from tissues taken from therapeutic abortions performed in the s, leading to moral questions.
For example, the principle of double effect , originated by Thomas Aquinas , holds that actions with both good and bad consequences are morally acceptable in specific circumstances, and the question is how this principle applies to vaccination.
Many forms of alternative medicine are based on philosophies that oppose vaccination including germ theory denialism and have practitioners who voice their opposition. These include some elements of the chiropractic community, some homeopaths , and naturopaths. Historically, chiropractic strongly opposed vaccination based on its belief that all diseases were traceable to causes in the spine and therefore could not be affected by vaccines.
Palmer — , the founder of chiropractic, wrote: Although most chiropractic colleges try to teach about vaccination in a manner consistent with scientific evidence, several have faculty who seem to stress negative views. One of the study's authors proposed the change in attitude to be due to the lack of the previous influence of a "subgroup of some charismatic students who were enrolled at CMCC at the time, students who championed the Palmer postulates that advocated against the use of vaccination".
The American Chiropractic Association and the International Chiropractic Association support individual exemptions to compulsory vaccination laws. They had also opposed a bill related to vaccination exemptions. Several surveys have shown that some practitioners of homeopathy , particularly homeopaths without any medical training, advise patients against vaccination. Homeopathic "vaccines" nosodes are ineffective because they do not contain any active ingredients and thus do not stimulate the immune system.
They can be dangerous if they take the place of effective treatments. In Canada, the labeling of homeopathic nosodes require the statement: Alternative medicine proponents gain from promoting vaccine conspiracy theories through the sale of ineffective and expensive medications, supplements, and procedures such as chelation therapy and hyperbaric oxygen therapy , sold as able to cure the 'damage' caused by vaccines. Conversely, alternative medicine providers have accused the vaccine industry of misrepresenting the safety and effectiveness of vaccines, covering up and suppressing information, and influencing health policy decisions for financial gain.
In the late 20th century, vaccines were a product with low profit margins ,  and the number of companies involved in vaccine manufacture declined. In addition to low profits and liability risks, manufacturers complained about low prices paid for vaccines by the CDC and other US government agencies. The United States has a very complex history with compulsory vaccination , particularly in enforcing compulsory vaccinations both domestically and abroad to protect American soldiers during times of war.
There are hundreds of thousands of examples of soldier deaths that were not the result of combat wounds, but were instead from disease. American soldiers in other countries have spread diseases that ultimately disrupted entire societies and healthcare systems with famine and poverty.
As a military police power and as colonizers the United States took a very hands-on approach in administering healthcare particularly vaccinations to natives during the invasion and conquest of these countries. These soldiers invaded Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines and connected parts of these countries that had never before been connected due to the countries sparse nature thereby beginning epidemics.
Military personnel used Rudyard's Kipling's poem " The White Man's Burden " to explain their imperialistic actions in Cuba, the Philippines, and Puerto Rico and the need for the United States to help the "dark-skinned Barbarians"  reach modern sanitary standards. American actions abroad before, during, and after the war emphasized a need for proper sanitation habits especially on behalf of the natives.
Natives who refuse to oblige with American health standards and procedures risked fines or imprisonment. If entire villages refused the army's current sanitation policy at any given time they risked being burnt to the ground in order to preserve the health and safety of soldiers from endemic smallpox and yellow fever.
Military personnel in Puerto Rico provided Public Health services that culminated in military orders that mandated vaccinations for children before they were six months old, as well as a general vaccination order.
This period began the United States' movement toward an expansion of medical practices that included "tropical medicine" in an attempt to protect the lives of soldiers abroad. Confidence in vaccines varies over place and time and among different vaccines.
Refusal of the MMR vaccine has increased in 12 European states since The project published a report in assessing vaccine hesitancy among the public in all the 28 EU member states and among general practitioners in ten of them.
Younger adults in the survey had less confidence than older people. Most of the GPs did not recommend the seasonal influenza vaccine.
Confidence in the population correlated with confidence among GPs. This is a database of reports of issues associated with vaccines. When used appropriately VAERS is a useful tool for investigation, but since anyone can make a claim and have it entered into the VAERS, by itself it is not a reliable source of information.
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He is a bloody disgrace. It has NOT been "clearly or undeniably shown". It has be argued through various specious arguments. Deaths from vaccines undeniably happen and near zero is still not zero. Why would anyone risk their life to prevent a non-fatal disease? But vaccines have also killed!
What are you talking about? Do you understand what "empirical" means? They are certainly safer then being unvaccinated. And a pretty good percentage of those who get sick, DIE!!!! DO you know what , people had in common in ? They DIED from measles! Vaccinations have turned the tide on many very nasty diseases They have saved hundreds of times more. Your logic is flawed. If too many of us opt not to be vaccinated we run the risk of letting measles get traction again, putting at risk many others who, through no fault of their own, cannot be vaccinated.
I feel I have a moral and social responsibility to be vaccinated. According to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, in , low vaccination rates allowed a measles outbreak in the U. Now, provide an example of such an authority. They do not exist, it is all a corporate mentality now. With the bottom line being profit, where does human interest fit in? Yet here you are telling people what they have to do ;-.
No customers, no profit. No product, no customers. No needs or wants, no products. No humans, no needs or wants. Here's a good article: For god's sake, fact check your sources people. Unless specific allergies or immuno issues, which may be worked around with steroids, micro-dosage etc, they're gambling on 'modern medicine' to cure them.
Sorry, this isn't a Vegas wheel, this is 'Russian Roulette'. Unfortunately, 'Golden Era' of antibiotics has passed, and many, many resistant strains of half-forgotten killers lurk. But, annual vaccine mix mitigated the severity. Given limited resource and similar severity, you're much more likely to survive than an anti-vaxxer Vaccination is a serious crime against humanity and more importatnt to it defenseless part - young children. There is no more unnatural approach of medicine, which surrounds the body's defense mechanisms in order to put the unknown contents of the vaccine in the infant.
Vaccine does not mean immunity and health. Vaccine mean hyper reactive immune system,mental retardation and reduced vitality. Reduced morbidity in society is due to improved hygiene habits, rather than vaccination as claimed by traders in the temple.
Here, below, are just a couple of the more easily understood reports that I've collected but believe me, I have hundreds more. I've been researching independent peer reviewed reports on vaccines for a long, long time. These few reports will help you understand the vast complexities involved in vaccination.
Many of these reports are written by researchers that are pro-vaccination but they're honest researchers attempting to add knowledge to the field of virology. But it is my concensus that most vaccines are inherently dangerous due to their content.
Methodological issues and evidence of malfeasance in research purporting to show thimerosal in vaccines is safe, BioMed Research International, June You are, quite simply, a degenerate recreant, a scumbag whose continuing existance is an affront to good and normal people everywhere.
I hope your children are the ones that suffer, in front of you, while you are helpless to do anything more than watch them waste away. And while this happens, from a disease you caused them, I hope you remember this and know that I am laughing in your face for your hubris and arrogance. But it is my concensus that most vaccines are inherently dangerous due to their content It is your consensus is it.
DO you support ex-Dr. How about soon to be ex-Dr. Are you not the same person who has claimed the government is using aircraft to spray chemicals? Is it your "consensus" that that is true as well? What about global warming?
What is your "consensus" on that? Have you made a "consensus" on that as well? Tell me Steven Gaylord, have you ever met a conspiracy theory you did not agree with? It is my consensus that vaccinations have saved millions of lives despite the misinformation paraded as "science" by the likes of you. Lots of heated comments expounding irrational beliefs. Obverse to ryg's unsurprising view, I'd be unsurprised if many anti-vaxers are also anti-AGWers, perhaps even young-earthers.
I wonder how anti-vaxers feel about all those in the majority who accept that vaccination is beneficial: Arguing science is not effective. I'd simply have it as a social imperative, expressed as a law. Just as we accept we must pay income tax. You want to dwell here, you want to work here, you even want to visit here or travel through this region?
You have to be vaccinated. Same for any of your spawn. But as you, in turn, appear to agree with my original point, can we also agree that there are two lotteries? And that we need to know the probability and expected severity of harm both for vaccinating and for not vaccinating?
Then I am someone who believes that lottery offers better odds than the lottery that you prefer. You have stood on the shoulders of our collective protection for too long. And in return, you gave me this week. A week from hell.
I'd be unsurprised if many anti-vaxers are also anti-AGWers, perhaps even young-earthers. Here are some data on the subject: The overlap of anti-vaxxers and AGWites is based upon the observation that most are 'liberals'. It can be argued that the 'science' of AGWism is based solely on computer model projections, a more dubious scientific method while vaccines are based upon traditional science methods.
This sentence should have been at the front of the article, not buried at the end. The reason we think we can afford to take a cavalier approach to inherent risks to life and well-being like being "anti-vax" is only because we don't have to see the ravages of these agents on a daily basis. We make specious arguments about how something with an incredibly-low probability of occurrence is a greater risk than diseases which are known to exist and are known to exact a very heavy toll on an unprotected human population only because we are protected in our safe First World bubble.
To the anit-vaxxers commenting: You have one mandate as a parent, just one. That is to prepare your kids to be successful and competitive in their environment as adults. This includes doing your best to ensure that they are prepared to meet challenges that are beyond their control.
It is why you make them wear seat belts, it is why you send them to school, it is why they take martial arts, it is why you teach them about condoms and dirty needles, it is why you teach them decision making and critical thinking, and it is also why you take the actions necessary to mitigate their risk to deadly farking diseases.
Maybe this is where AGWites and anti-vaxers overlap, perceived risk vs real risk. It's difficult for humans to keep an objective standard of risk. Just because you were vaccinated and you are mentally retarded doesn't prove causality. Children are regularly punctured by virus and bacteria-laden objects. They step on nails, get splinters in their fingers, get scratched by thorns, get bitten by mosquitoes and cats.
These are perfectly NATURAL events that act as vaccinations with unknown contents and are an important part of arming a child's immune system against environmental microbes. Are you living like the Amish? Letting you children play in the dirt with farm animal feces? There are quite deadly diseases being spread by ticks and mosquitoes.
Do you let your children play in the woods uprotected? I didn't say these wild vaccinations weren't dangerous. In fact they're far more dangerous than medical vaccinations, as the medical vaccinations are produced under controlled conditions with the critter in them either dead or weakened. The history of vaccination begins with the deviously twisted eugenics movement of the early 20th century.
Many of the "vaxxers" incorrectly believe that the reduction in disease has some connection to the introduction of vaccinations and that this mad science has somehow saved us from extinction. Sadly for millions of poisoned children, this couldn't be further from the truth as these graphs indicate.
You can also see that after the introduction of vaccines that the number of cases actually increase. Then there is the increased mortality rates and illness associated with vaccinations. Then of course there is the recent ruling in an Italian court; http: Then the is the internal data stream of big pharma; https: The fascist governments and lawmakers have seen to that.
The VAERS system sees to that, when an adverse reaction is reported and is requiring compensation, the gov't pays out. An ingenious form of fascism if I must say so myself. Is it any wonder why Big Pharma wants forced mandatory vaccinations? Damn R2, I gave you a 5 earlier because you made a good point about child hood vaccinations.
Now you blow it with this insult to the scientists studying global warming. I should point out how moronic AGW deniers are and their death wish on the planet. Today is standard vaccines to contain aluminum, mercury, formaldehyde and other harmful substances ren besides the creationist diatribe you spout with no scientific acumen, now you want to spread fear though intentionally misleading information?
This is similar to exposure to radiation: You'll also see in those graphs how when there is an "outbreak", it is largely the "vaxxers" who catch and spread the illness CD how did i know that you would spread even more pseudoscience in yet another field? Given the spread of the pseudoscience to this thread, it turns out to be surprisingly applicable to pseudoscience posters as a whole!
Do what you want on your responsibility Ren I've vaxx'ed thousands. I will stick to his wisdom, because he knows best what is right and what is not your fairy also says to obey the laws of man, which mean compliance to the authority of the state, which doesn't want it's children to be made into guinea pigs by a religious nutter who doesn't understand science any more than he understands his own religion, which seems to be not very much your fairy also says you can sell your daughter, enslave anyone not in your religion or just kill them off completely and that you should quit masturbating it also says genocide is a good thing and that you should forgive ANY debts after 7 years, no matter how large and that you should never work on saturday or have pictures or trinkets of natural objects how well do you comply?
However, it is the legislator in this universe your sky fairy also says that women cannot teach men and that men are the head of household, and that women should be submissive to their husband it also bans divorce for all but a very select few reasons, and that remarriage after that is a no-no, unless spouse in question is deceased plus, given that you are on a computer and that you are on a science site, i can tell you for a fact that you are seriously violating one of the commandments not a suggestion, nor a feeling, but a commandment then there is the fact that you've also demonstrated that your religion takes precedence over science or reality, which causes you to intentionally lie to others, which is another big no-no in your own religion Sorry ren your advice is worse than anything else here.
Shootist Great post shooty I would like to know more about how you think it's for a study i am participating with. Dementia Cap'n Stupid, dementia. I posted graphs based on readily attainable data; http: I linked to an article which described a court case, here are the findings of the court; http: Just another attempt to force products on to the citizenry, as with Obummercare, socialist fascism you know.
First, a rash can be evidence of a more serious reaction. And secondly, there is absolutely no way you can know what the long term effects are of these toxic cocktails. In summation, just more useless blather from Cap'n Stupid. If only they taught that to paramedics Captain Stumpy I also wonder how the study would apply to those who take a pseudoscience and treat it with a religious approach?
I often see pseudoscience going with a belief that their theory is being actively suppressed by the establishment, and I often see people advocating several such theories, so I expect them to cluster with the conspiracy theorists. I now expect downvotes from all those who think I mean them, seeing how I must clearly be in the pay of The Man. Again, I wonder how many anti-vaxers who believe in a big govt conspiracy in medicine but don't believe a govt conspiracy for AGW?
If you are genuinely interested, you could look at that paper I linked to before. It has the best information on the topic that I could find. Or are you asking me to summarise the findings? Would you trust someone whom you consider a socialist to offer an unbiased summary?
While you're looking for correlations, try creationism as well. Although the rhetoric of an atheist conspiracy is similar to other pseudoscience, I wonder whether creationists in general are a different population, at least in the countries where creationism has so much cultural support Turkey, USA, Saudi Arabia, etc. Speaking of which, here is another example of pseudoscience: Robert Daum of the University of Chicago says.
That's because polio still exists. More than cases were reported overseas last year. The vaccine makes people personally immune to polio, but if they come in contact with an infected person, they could still catch the virus and carry it in their intestinal tract. They would not be sick, but they could still pass it on to other people. Ryggy, you are spitting in the air again. Didn't address the question. The structural equation model in figure 2 shows all statistically significant relationships.
There is none between attitudes to vaccination and attitudes to climate science. If you want to be pernickety about it, the weight was constrained to 0 because that is what you do if you can eliminate a relationship without significantly decreasing the fit between model and data. The model is supposed to be as simple as possible. How many were surveyed?
Open Drum: abusing anti-vaxxers doesn't work
I think in the Science Denial scenario, it's possible for citizens to riot and set back cure research by destroying the facilities, which is close. Jul 9, Scientists at the Australian Animal Health Laboratory in Geelong, But if the virus mutates, it could spread beyond Australia's shores and become the next global plague. .. Zoetis has denied the allegations in the lawsuit. Feb 3, 'Denying science is not innovative or progressive.' to be repeated: anti-vaxxers, please do not give measles to my tiny, helpless future baby.